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How to Stop Drinking

Far too often, the traditional wisdom for how to stop drinking is plagued with useless relapse prevention tactics that try to pinpoint our problems and triggers in helping us to prevent relapse. My experience has shown this to be ineffective.

Better than tactics for recovery are strategies. Strategy is more useful because it is more encompassing and can affect larger areas of our lives, in such a way that we can affect massive change. Using tactics is more short term and leads to smaller, more incremental changes. In addiction recovery, we need massive change. We need to change everything. Strategies are the way to do that, because they give a broader sense of guidance for all of our actions and decisions.

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Strategy #1: Take massive action. If nothing changes, nothing changes. The scope of what you are trying to do (quitting drinking) is truly massive. You are trying to change your whole life. This takes a huge effort. Do not underestimate it. Go big or go home.

Strategy #2: Blast through your denial. See your drinking for the crutch that it really is. Honestly see how it controls you and dominates you, even though you “enjoy” it. Measure your time spent being “happy” while drinking, and notice that you are almost always miserable, but hanging on to happy memories of drinking.

Strategy #3: Seek professional help. Alcohol detox can be dangerous. There are huge benefits to inpatient treatment. Seeing a counselor or therapist can be a turning a point. Getting any form of help is action, which is always good.

Strategy #4: Build real self esteem. This is the strongest form of relapse prevention: if you truly value your life, you will not throw it away on a relapse. Take care of yourself. Push yourself to grow. Help others.

Strategy #5: Pursue holistic health. Recovery is about living healthier. Extend this in new directions to enhance your recovery from addiction. Quit smoking, start exercising, make nutritional changes. Seek emotional balance. Etc.

Strategy #6: Create a new life. You have surplus time and energy now that you are in recovery. How will you use this surplus? Find outlets that match your talents and strengths, while allowing you to help others and create real value in life. Experience growth.

Strategy #7: Seek balance as you progress. Watch out for extremism. Recovery is about living, not about recovery. Balance growth and acceptance. Stay active in pursuing new things. Stay open to growth opportunities.

Strategy #8: Push yourself to grow. Do not get lazy in recovery. Do not justify laziness with self acceptance. Do not close the door on self examination. If you stop growing, you relapse.

Strategy #9: Get physical. Fitness is huge in recovery. Most people disregard fitness due to inherent laziness. Push yourself to exercise regularly and reap huge benefits. Some recovery programs are based on exercise alone–that is how powerful it is.

Strategy #10: Embrace gratitude. If you are truly grateful, relapse is impossible. Gratitude is the mindset for learning and growth experiences. Practicing gratitude enhances recovery and leads to more learning and thus more growth.

Strategy #11: Avoid complacency. Our natural state is to be drinking. Therefore, we have to keep pushing in order to avoid reverting to our natural state. We can only do this through the push for personal growth. Seeking holistic health gives us a broad platform for growth experiences.

Strategy #12: Explore a new vision. Take action first, then reflect on how it has helped your recovery. Seek growth based on your strengths. See how you can use this to help others. Start becoming the person you were always meant to be.

Strategy #13: Discover your purpose. Your vision made real. Helping others in a profound way based on the personal growth you have experienced. Achieving dreams that you once thought were blocked forever by your drinking. True contentment and joy.

Stop drinking today….how many reasons do you need?

As a recovering alcoholic, I know that this is a difficult decision. Even though there were a million reasons for me to stop drinking, I had a million reasons why I should continue. These reasons of mine to continue drinking were because of something called perceived benefits.

The tricky thing is that there are some real benefits to drinking alcohol for most of the adult population. But for the true alcoholic, those benefits are largely illusory, and become less and less valid as their disease progresses.

In other words, an alcoholic might cling to the “benefits” of drinking, rationalizing that these are important reasons for them to continue to self medicate, but in reality those reasons are no longer valid, and they are just fooling themselves. This is called denial.

The perceived benefits of drinking

The perceived benefits of drinking will be a bit different for different people. Just to give you an idea, here is what I thought alcohol was doing for me:

1) Fixed my shyness – Before I started drinking, I was naturally shy and found it difficult to speak in groups larger than 2 or 3 people without any anxiety. Alcohol fixed this. The problem is that, even though alcohol fixed this, it was not a viable long-term solution to the anxiety problem. This is because my tolerance increased and I had to drink more and more in order to overcome my shyness. Eventually it stopped working altogether, and I would remain shy even in a complete blackout. But I stubbornly clung to the idea that I had to drink in order for this personality flaw to be corrected.

2) Celebration and passion for living - I believed that life was a party, and that you were not celebrating life unless you were living it up and getting wasted every day. Somehow I believed that the only way to live passionately was to drink heavily. These ideas were obviously from the “good old days” when drinking was still fun, and hanging onto this illusion was just another part of my denial.

3) Drinking = happy – I truly believed that the only way that I could be happy in this life was to be drunk. This was a twisted mindset. I really looked down on other people who didn’t drink and pitied them that they were not able to “get happy” like I was. The truth of the matter was that I was miserable for 99% of the time, and it was a rare moment when I could find the right level of toxicity where I could even claim to be “happy” in my drunken stupor.

So these were my main “benefits” of drinking. I call them perceived benefits because this is what I truly believed, but looking back we can see that I was in denial about my drinking and therefore I was only fooling myself. These benefits were illusions that I clung to; they were actually false 99 percent of the time.

The denial exists because alcohol used to work as described. At one time, these perceived benefits were real, and my life was not screwed up yet from excessive drinking. In other words, there were some good times that I had with drinking, and my mind stubbornly clung to those ideas. This is just one mechanism of denial. All of these perceived benefits became false as my alcoholism continued to progress, but my denial kept me from seeing the truth.

When you really analyze the perceived benefits of drinking, it almost looks like a belief system. I had established the idea firmly in my head that alcohol was wonderful and those who did not drink it were missing out in life in a big way. I really believed this. Not only that, but I believed it at a very deep level and it had become part of who I was.

So in spite of these perceived benefits, eventually we have to see the illusions for what they are and break through our denial. It is only then that we can have any hope at even caring about a reason to stop drinking in the first place.

But once we become the slightest bit open to the idea, the tide can turn, and we can start to get excited about a sober life again:

Reasons to stop drinking

We can separate the logical reasons to stop drinking into these broad categories:

1) Longevity of life

2) Quality of life

Pretty basic, right? Alcoholism can affect how long you live, and also the quality of your life. So let’s take them one at a time:

Quitting drinking and your lifespan

Obviously, if you are an alcoholic, then quitting drinking will greatly increase your potential lifespan. But by how much?

To answer that question, we have to look at some statistics. I’ll spare you the charts and data and summarize it for you: most alcoholics die about 15 to 20 years earlier than their peers.

Now the question is: “How much is 15 to 20 years of your life worth to you?” This question is actually fairly deep and complicated, because the answer can change so drastically depending on your state of mind.

For example, a miserable drunk will usually brush the question off entirely, waving his hand and saying “whatever. Take me right now if you want!” That is the miserable desperation of addiction talking. Now if we manage to sober this person up and get them involved with a creative new life in recovery, their answer will likely change quite a bit (I know mine did!). Life becomes precious in recovery.

And of course we are just talking about numbers and percentages here–you might be able to continue to drink and still live a very long time. But the odds are against you. It’s not just the direct effects of drinking that can kill you. For example, guess what the number one killer of recovering alcoholics is? Lung cancer. In other words, it’s not just the booze that will kill you….it’s the lifestyle that gets us in the end. Not to mention drunk drivings, accidents, slip-and-falls, alcohol poisoning, liver damage, and so on.

With alcoholic drinking, there are a million ways to die. Problems compound as the lifestyle becomes increasingly more dangerous. It’s a progressive disease, so the risks increase for both the direct effects of alcohol, as well as for “lifestyle deterioration.” In other words, as time goes on, our drinking takes us to new lows and to do things we said we would never do. All of this steadily increases the odds of our untimely demise. Luckily, there are a million ways to stop drinking as well.

Quitting drinking and the quality of your life

The discussion so far as focused on how long we will live if we drink alcoholically. But lets take a look at what it does to the quality of our life.

There are a number of ways that drinking impacts the quality of your life:

1) Overall health – Not only will heavy drinking reduce your lifespan, but it also has the potential to bring on any number of diseases, disorders, and ailments.

2) Alcoholics are more susceptible to other drugs – which can have devastating effects on your life as well. Many people pick up “new habits” while they are drunk.

3) Alcoholics are several times more likely to be cigarette smokers - which, combined with drinking, can really have devastating health consequences.

4) Risk of suicide – is determined by studies to be over 5,000 times greater in alcoholics than in that of the general public.

5) Social effects – Alcoholism negatively impacts divorce rates, domestic violence, job stability, and so on.

6) Mental effects – Alcoholism contributes to depression, anxiety, and in the long run can result in ever more serious mental conditions, some of which might eventually be permanent.

Is there a Stop drinking pill?

There is a medication called Campral that can help with cravings, but it is by no means a magic bullet. People who rely on the pill to “fix” their alcoholism are going to be very disappointed. There is no magic cure and you have to put forth a tremendous effort in order to get sober aside from simply taking a pill like this. But, it can be helpful, and so any alcoholic should consider talking with their doctor about medications like Campral that might be one piece of their recovery journey.

Stop drinking, lose weight?

Of course alcohol is empty calories, and those who get drunk every day tend to have other factors that contribute to heavy weight. Not only does the quality of nutrition drop, but most alcoholics are very inactive when it comes to exercise. Part of recovery, if you use a holistic approach (which is strongly advocated on this website!) is that you should be considering things such as nutrition and exercise as part of your recovery.

So simply quitting drinking is but one step in losing weight. The accompanying lifestyle changes are what will really kick your weight loss into high gear.

Stop drinking too much alcohol, or quit entirely?

Some people think that they might be able to regulate their drinking instead of quitting entirely. If this works for you, then that is great! Moderate your drinking. But an alcoholic is defined by their inability to do so. Eventually you may have to get honest with yourself and realize that you cannot control your drinking consistently.

Denial is the trap that you can control your drinking some of the time. If you hang on to those successes, but ignore the train wreck that is your life, then you are in denial.

If you can’t stop drinking now

If you try to stop drinking now but find that you cannot do it on your own, then ask for help. Call up a local treatment center and ask them what you need to do in order to get into treatment. They will lay out your options for you and help you to get funding so that you can get the help you need. Pretty much anyone who is persistent can find some resources to help them with their problem, it is just a matter of putting in the effort and the footwork that is necessary to get the ball rolling.

Stop binge drinking

If you are a binge drinker then you may be fooling yourself that you do not have a problem, when in reality you need to stop just as bad as anyone else. The binge drinker is a special kind of alcoholic, but they are still an alcoholic. They may go for long periods of time without drinking any alcohol at all, but when they do drink, they go on long binges and usually spin out of control completely. Just a different flavor of alcoholic, but one that still needs help in order to change their life.

Problem: an active alcoholic does not care about this stuff

So here is the real challenge: even when posed with a vast list such as this as to why a person should stop drinking, most active alcoholics could care less. The problem is that they are depressed, suffer low self esteem, and cannot bring themselves to care much about their own well being.

In other words, you could promise them the world if they would just quit drinking, and they will politely decline and go back to the bottle. They just don’t care.

Now I know this because I have been there before. And eventually I got to a place where I wanted to care, but I still could not bring myself to do it. I was stuck as a miserable drunk. I could not figure out how to stop drinking alcohol.

The breakthrough for me came when I decided to give sobriety a chance. Perhaps this was divine intervention. I had tried to achieve sobriety in the past but it had not worked, so I was extremely skeptical. But for some reason I was miserable and tired enough to give it another shot.

This is the balancing point. This is that tricky area of surrender that a drunk has to find their way to. It is a fine line. You are just miserable enough to want to stop drinking, but at the same time you are 2 seconds away from saying “screw it” and going to get another bottle.

This is why I think surrender to the disease of addiction might be divinely inspired. It almost seems impossible for an individual to find their way out of the alcoholic trap.

If you want to know how to stop drinking, here is my number one suggestion to you:

Ask for help.

Really. That’s it. Start with that, and things should start falling into place. It is possible to learn how to stop drinking on your own, but it is pretty tough.

May God bless everyone that has a desire to get sober today…..

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Angela January 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm

Camus thank you for what you said….I have been so down lately that any words of encouragement are appreciated. Alcohol has truly devastated–or been a vehicle by which I have devastated- my life and that of my son’s. Everyone around me has felt the effect. I have been very depressed and self flagellation has become a way of life. I wake up every day with that weight of guilt that normally goes hand in hand with drinking. It is wierd, but for me, nothing really has changed in my life except the not drinking. But I am working on that. I need to practice changing the thoughts that run through my head when my body is busy with the tasks of life…I tend to think terrible thoughts about myself- it’s like a computer with a program running in the background, constant repetative negative input…I am working on it and I know that you are all thinking of me throughout the day as I do you.

Thank you all!

Theodora, just keep reminding yourself that you are not going to lose any friends because you quit drinking, if so – they were not the good friends you thought they were. Also, as many of us on this site have learned- the hard way- you were not the life of the party and you were not the fun girl you remember, alcohol changes our perspective, so we remember being the “life of the party,” when in reality, we were a little annoying to our friends, and they probably, at some point, had to really ponder whether to invite us in the first place because we were a wild card- fun one time, nightmare to deal with the next….. I know this because I was that way, and pretty much all of us had to come to that realization at some point on this path. So please don’t mourn the disappearance of that girl that you thought you were… remember her fondly and bid her goodbye because she may have given you some great memories, but she also caused you and your loved ones a lot of trouble and sadness, embarrassment, etc.
Your true friends will be happy for you, and support you and be there for you..
Another thing to consider, is that you really don’t have to make a point of telling anybody that you quit drinking and why, you can just go to get-togethers and have 7-up on the rocks, not draw attention to it, and still have fun. Takes the discomfort away for them and takes the focus off you and onto the reason you were all getting together in the first place. None of us want to turn all of our social gatherings into an AA support group…. this path we have chosen is personal- none of their business. Let’s face it, we are all on this site because the only people we want to share this very personal, and tragic history that we have with, is people who understand because they have been there themselves.
I love you all so much and have come to depend on you, but the first person I need to depend on is me….until I can, I will be leaning heavily on my family….that is you all….thanks. Ang

Melvin January 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm

The depression and guilt are normal affects of using alcohol even during the early weeks of abstaining. Your depression and your problems may be two different issues, at least to a certain extent. After quitting drinking, people will often find some repressed emotions resurfacing. Have faith in your own strength Angela…we do :)

Very well said about the personal path Angela. This is a personal path for me too. It is only indirectly about my family and friends, but it starts with me.

I have a question for this forum. Has anyone attended a live support group? I have never, but I really feel that this forum has helped me formulate some ideas as it pertains to my problems. Maybe a live group session would be even more helpful. If you have been to one of these, what do you think? I am Christian, but I am not really interested in a faith based or AA type program. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Thanks once again and God Bless everyone.

theodora January 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm

hi ANGELA..what u wrote is probably the most powerful and influential thing Ive ever read about -my- drinking (and I have a psychology degree!)..the way u described the situation, the solution ur offering to deal with it..the format of ur thinking and the way u express yourself for some reason was exactly what was missing for me to be able to feel closer to 100% certain for my decision to quit! I hope I dont sound too corny but honestly Im really greatful for your post thank you, I cant explain how it made everything clearer to me :) “So please don’t mourn the disappearance of that girl that you thought you were… remember her fondly and bid her goodbye because she may have given you some great memories, but she also caused you and your loved ones a lot of trouble and sadness, embarrassment, etc.” This is honeslty the nicest thing I could have ever read that actually I can relate to and use to help me move on in a different lifestyle thank you! As for ur advice on what to do, yeah I realized too that the best way is to not draw much attention to it when Im out, drink something that looks like booze (alcohol free beer or something that looks like a cocktail)–(although I think that alcohole free beer is not a very good idea, any thoughts anyone??), and just try to have fun and not make people uncomfortable with their drinking..

I wish I had any advice to give to anyone, I hate just talking about myself, but obviously I have none since the most valuable advice Ive ever come across (and I read A LOT!) is through u guys and this site..so all I can offer is my gratitude and my wishes for all of you to start living the life u always wanted and missed out on because of drinking, and be happy! keeping in mind what CAMUS said, which I think is often misunderstood and good to remember constantly: “when we have a drinking problem that has been so destructive in our lives, we think that if only it would go away everything would fall in place and life would be great. It rarely happens this way. We have all this extra time that we don’t know what to do with and raw thoughts and emotions that we don’t know how to deal with. Basically, we have to learn how to live all over again. It is an amazing feeling living life sober after being in a cloud, but it is still life, full of challenges, disappointments, grief etc etc. On the other hand, it’s also full of joy, love, laughter, growth, inspiration etc etc” SO TRUE, since one of my fears now that i quit has been to not give in if something unpredictable goes wrong, instead of my life suddenly becoming perfect! LOL, thanx camus for the perspective, thanx everyone, be well! :)

Angela January 16, 2011 at 9:55 pm

Theordora, thank you for your response. Feel free to give “advice” because it is not so much advice, as sharing what you are doing in your fight with this “monkey on your back”. We all are on the same path. We have all posted our successes and failures. If you went back on this site and read posts from months, even years ago, you would see that we all post our stories in a very open, honest manner. This is the reason it works so well, because it is somewhat anonymous (we could see each on the street and not know who each other were) and yet as Roberto put it, we have met, we are family. We are completely honest about even our failures, we “tell on ourselves” to receive the help to get back up and continue on this path we have chosen. On in complete truth with ourselves and each others can we receive and give help. This site is a true success.
So really, our postings are not advice given, but our postings, if they help each other become advice received. So please share freely: what you are feeling, what you are trying as tools in this fight against alcohol, share your successes and share your failures. Don’t feel like there is anything you cant’s share. We do get down to the nitty gritty sometimes, and it really helps knowing you have a family to help you in the trenches. We are here for you, as you are here for us. You are one of us, so don’t feel you have to be winning every battle to tell us your war stories. We love you and are there for you.
Melvin, you are so right about the repressed emotions surfacing. I have been on quite the roller coaster and sometimes it is really hard to even pinpoint what I am feeling and why. I am working on it. I am a bit of a basket case sometimes.
The group meetings etc have been helpful to some of our group, but to some of us, this has been better, as the anonymity allow us to be completely honest without the fear of running into an AA buddy on the street as (I believe Camus said this). Try it if you think this would be helpful to you, let us know how it goes. This is also good because it is open 24/7. But their is a small lag on receiving a response as we are all across america, and time zones, personal schedules are not conducive to instant input into your struggle. Whatever helps you and gives you the tools to success in this fight, do it!
One last point, I have at times, brought a six pack of O’Douls to get togethers, and it worked fabulously for me. I didn’t get drunk, and I didn’t feel the need to switch to “real beer” as I would have in the past. This is my PERSONAL experience with it but it may not work that way for you. It is worth a try, if you feel ready to try it, or you feel the need to try it. Non alcoholic beer, if I enjoy the taste works for me, but when I went to a gathering and they had purchased Beck’s for me, I hated the flavor and threw it our, then without even thinking about it I grabbed a regular beer and cracked it open. So it could backfire on you as it did me that time. I still drink O’douls frequently, but that is me. Let us know how it goes. I am off to work- will check the site later. Hang in there guys, I will be thinking of you all. Thank you all for being here for me.

Danny January 16, 2011 at 11:50 pm

Guys I”ve REALLY been blowing it…I feel like such a loser/failure….please encourage and pray for me….I’m trying again…thanks

Samantha January 17, 2011 at 12:52 am

Hi all i have been away for awhile trying now to read everything. Danny, I’ve been blowing it, but it takes time. Although I’m not sober yet and still relapse, I’m so much better than I was months ago. Still not a success, but some progress. If you can go just one day, that’s always better.. Nancy, don’t feel bad or guilty cause you don’t struggle with the temptations, I read your posts and hope one day that will be me. You’ve come along way and those of us struggling now, it feels like it will be forever. I know if I just tol my husband how bad it is, it will help me, because part of the problem is hiding it… Telling someone and admitting it I know will help a lot, admitting it here on this site has helped, but I know admitting it to a loved one will help more, but I’m no ready yet. This is such a shameful and lonely disease..isn’t it?

ROBERTO G January 17, 2011 at 4:15 am

DANNY, hang in there my friend ,you are not alone. We all feel the same sometimes.Personally When the drinking obsession pays me a visit once in a while, I read some of the good stuff in this site about quitting,and prevention, and it does helps me freeing myself from the obsession. Most important of all, even if you don’t go to a support group is a good idea to talk to somebody who has also quit drinking. I used to go to AA in the beginning ,but it didn’t work for me no more so I moved on. but I still have a couple of friends that still go there and once in a while I hang around with them. They don’t push me to go back, Instead they agreed how there are many ways to stay sober, and happy .It’s just a matter of finding your path and stick to it!! Good Luck.
Angela, Regarding the none alcoholic beer, Many people think that is dangerous since it may awake your drinking obsession,but again is personal choice of whether works for you or not. I personally drink Carbonated water Instead. In all the time of my sobriety I have only drank 2 none alcoholic beers and even though my obsession didn’t wake up ,I honestly felt like I had drank a real beer,so I decided to stay away from them specially because I have always been a big beer drinker so, I don’t think It would be a good Idea for me. However, I am not saying that I may not drink another one someday…But at least for today I better stick with my Jarritos Mineral Waters just in case. Again is a personal choice ,and same way our path to sobriety is personal , so are the methods that we use to stay sober ,and to take care of the drinking obsession.!!!Good Luck Angie!!
Theodora, I am glad that you are finding help in this site by reading and posting….!!Remember that help comes from all over in different ways, the newcomers, those of us who have relapsed, those of us who have been sober for a while,or even those of us who are not ready to quit but have quitting in consideration.!! Even from those of us who don’t want to accept the help…Or even from those of us who still dream that one day we may drink normally again…. We all have something to give to others,and play an important role toward sobriety . I guess as mysterious this decease may look, the one from above makes sure we get the help needed to keep going forward. Maybe Not like we may imagine it, falling from the sky ,But in different ways… I am glad you are doing great…Good luck
Same for you LYNN, Congratulations on your sobriety ,it takes a lot of effort and action but is a 100% worth it!!! Good Luck
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angela January 17, 2011 at 7:32 am

Danny don’t beat yourself up. We all struggle, we have our ups and downs. We are HUMANs who are struggling, it is when we stop the fight, when we quit trying- THAT is when we fail. Just the fact that you feel this way shows that you have not given up the good fight. Keep trying, and keep picking yourself up! We are here for you and we are proud of you. You are not alone, you are my brother in this battle, we fight it side by side, even if we are miles away. We, as alcoholics, beat ourselves up so much for the failures and mistakes of our pasts, that if we fall down and lose one battle, we cannot give in to the temptation and habit of flagellating ourselves, beating ourselves up. We are battered enough as it is.
So you fell down…who hasn’t? Every one of us has. You are trying again, give yourself some kudos for that and pat yourself on the back, be good to yourself. You are a good person with a bad disease.
We care about you and will be here for you. Hang in there.

Phil January 17, 2011 at 10:53 am

According to my calendar, Martin Luther King, Jr. once said “Faith is taking that first step even when you don’t see the whole staircase.” Mark, the first post I read this morning was yours (993). What you said about concentrating on the positive rather than the negative is exactly what I was thinking about this weekend. Camus, are you still training for a marathon? I would love to hear how that goes. Do you know which marathon yet?

Mark January 17, 2011 at 11:16 am

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Mark January 17, 2011 at 11:28 am

seems like I’m having technical problems and finding it hard to make a post..Yes Phil, I truly believe that is the way to go to not make it more difficult for us.

Mark January 17, 2011 at 11:29 am

Danny, as everyone have said..you are not alone…me too, as time passes by I thought I was in control so I relaxed..I have to admit the the past 2 weeks the enemy won the battle. We have to keep our guards up all the time..the time we relax is the time for the enemy to strike..I know it’s easier said than done but we can do it.

MArk January 17, 2011 at 11:56 am

I also noticed that when I don’t visit this beautiful site, I lose focus a little..I’m a bit afraid that I’ll still be relaxed until something terrible happens again so let us try to always keep in touch.

MArk January 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm

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Angela January 17, 2011 at 12:48 pm

This site slows down sometimes and it becomes almost impossible to type a sentence, much less post it. I made it through a grueling 5 days of work and now have a day off. Looking forward to relaxing a little. Hope you all have a good day.

Cory January 17, 2011 at 1:04 pm

Hi all I have trouble posting too, so I don’t write too much – is there some way we can open another web-site so the posting and feedback are ‘instant’? I think this is so important for us and feel really badly when I have poured out my guts and the tecchnical problems won’t allow me to post….. Any techie whizzes out there with an ieda?

MArk January 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm

i thought it was just me..my post should have been longer so i ended up dividing them but still incomplete, yes i think a new site is a good idea..

Patrick January 17, 2011 at 3:09 pm

Site admin here….not sure what to do with this thread but it is getting too long.

I have considered adding a real forum but I do not think there is quite enough volume here to justify it.

Here is a suggestion though: What about moving future discussions to this page instead:

http://www.spiritualriver.com/how-to-stop-drinking-on-your-own/

Will that work? What do you all think of that idea?

Let me know, you guys are in charge….

Cory January 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm

Thanks Patrick. I tried typing on that link and it seemed to be good. I hope that this thread is saved though because I get a lot of strength from re-reading all of these posts, and I think we have all become quite close to each other here.

Patrick January 17, 2011 at 3:41 pm

OK then, I am going to redirect all discussion to the new page then.

Here is the link again below. Everyone update your bookmarks please. Thanks for participating in this discussion, it is important!

For all future discussion or comments, please go here and quickly register for the forums (just takes 30 seconds):

http://www.spiritualriver.com/forum/forum.php

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